Hagalaz (ᚺ) – disruption and transformation
- Julia Runeborn
- Oct 13
- 37 min read
Updated: Oct 22
Hagalaz shakes up the status quo as the rune of sudden disruption and necessary change. It heralds storms that break old structures, yet in their aftermath new growth can emerge. Upright (Hagalaz isn’t typically read reversed), it delivers a wake-up call – a cleansing crisis that clears stagnation. Though often feared, Hagalaz ultimately teaches resilience and renewal after the storm.
Introduction to Hagalaz
Hagalaz is the ninth rune of the Elder Futhark and the first rune of the second ætt (family of eight runes). Its name comes from the Proto-Germanic hagalaz, meaning “hail” – referring to the destructive ice pellets from the sky. In Old Norse it was called Hagall, and in Old English Hægl, all carrying the literal meaning of “hailstone”. Phonetically, Hagalaz corresponds to the “H” sound (IPA [h]), as in the word “hail.” It’s usually pronounced “HAH-gah-lahz.” In runic inscriptions, Hagalaz is represented by a simple ᚺ shape resembling the letter H – historically drawn with two vertical strokes crossed by a single horizontal or diagonal bar. (Some variations used a double cross-bar ᚻ in parts of Continental Europe, but the one-bar form is most common.) Visually, the rune’s form evokes a hailstrike: imagine two stable pillars (order) being struck through by a horizontal bolt (chaos). This hints at Hagalaz’s essence – a forceful interruption of stability.
Core meaning: Hagalaz signifies hail, the sudden storm that can wreak havoc on plans and structures. In a broader sense it represents any sudden disruption, crisis, or “bolt from the blue” that is outside human control. Yet embedded in this destructive force is the seed of transformation. Just as a hailstorm devastates crops but then melts to water the earth for new growth, Hagalaz symbolizes destruction that clears the way for renewal. It carries a dual nature: on one hand, chaos, loss, and ordeal; on the other, cleansing, change, and rebirth. Ancient peoples saw hail as a wrath-of-nature calamity but also as cold grain from heaven that eventually nourishes the soil. Hagalaz teaches that periodic disruption is part of life’s cycle – a necessary purging that tests us and ultimately fosters new resilience.
Phonetic Value and Name Meaning
Hagalaz (pronounced “HAH-gah-lahz”) corresponds to the “H” sound in the runic alphabet. The name Hagalaz is a scholarly reconstruction of what the rune was likely called in Proto-Germanic, literally meaning “hail (stone)”. This meaning is confirmed by later sources: in Old Norse the rune was Hagall, in Old English Hægl – both terms for hail. Thus, from its very name, Hagalaz is linked to the image of falling hailstones.
In ancient contexts, hail was a familiar but fearsome phenomenon. It was essentially frozen rain, often sudden and damaging. The rune’s name captures both the physical reality of hail and its metaphorical implications. When one invokes or draws Hagalaz, one is literally invoking “hail” – calling to mind the abrupt, stinging shock of a hailstorm. The phonetic value /h/ likewise imitates a sharp exhale, almost like the gasp one might make when surprised by a cold shock. This rune’s identity as “hail” sets the tone for all its deeper meanings: destructive natural force, abrupt impact, and a catalyst for change.
Traditional Interpretations
In the traditional lore, Hagalaz has always been associated with the harsh reality of hailstorms and what they represent. All three surviving medieval rune poems (Old Norwegian, Old Icelandic, and Anglo-Saxon) record Hagalaz and underscore its nature as hail. For example, the Anglo-Saxon Rune Poem describes hail as “the whitest of grain; it is whirled from the vault of heaven and then turns to water”. Here hail is metaphorically called grain – highlighting that it comes down like a sowing of seeds from the sky – and crucially, it melts into water after its fury. This poetic image already contains the dual interpretation: damage followed by transformation. The Old Norwegian poem calls hail “the coldest of grain; Christ shaped the world of old”, adding a Christian perspective that even this destructive force is part of a divinely created world order. The Old Icelandic poem echoes the “cold grain” idea and ominously calls it “sickness of serpents”, implying that hail was seen as a bane even to creatures (perhaps meaning it can kill pests or simply that it’s a universal hardship).
From these early sources we glean that Hagalaz was seen as a perilous natural event – a literal hazard to agrarian life. In societies dependent on crops, a hailstorm could be catastrophic: it could flatten fields and ruin a year’s harvest in minutes. A heavy hail could mean hunger in the coming winter for a farming community. Thus, Hagalaz in its negative aspect stood for destruction, loss, and hardship beyond human control. It was a reminder of nature’s wrath or fate’s sudden blows (a “sudden blow of fate” is a fitting phrase).
Yet, the rune poems and lore also hint that this destruction is not utterly without purpose. All three poems intriguingly label hail a grain or corn – a seed from the sky. After the initial damage, the hail “turns to water” and waters the ground. In a grim way, the hailstorm clears and feeds the land for new growth. Traditional interpretations of Hagalaz thus always carried this paradox of hail: it is devastating yet transitory, even cleansing. Once the havoc is wrought, the storm passes, the ice melts, and life continues – often with important lessons learned or with old weak structures cleared away. Ancient runemasters likely recognized that Hagalaz embodies Nature’s corrective forces: those periodic catastrophes that humble us, but also ensure renewal (like wildfires that both destroy and fertilize).
In summary, the traditional meaning of Hagalaz is “hail” – a disruptive natural force that tests and transforms. It is the rune of crisis (often unavoidable and unearned), but within that crisis lies the potential for healing and change. The early Norse might not have framed it in modern terms, but implicitly Hagalaz taught acceptance of fate and adaptability: even the worst storm eventually ends, and what matters is what you do after the devastation. It is a rune of trial by fire (or rather, by ice) – hardship that, once endured, leaves one stronger or wiser.
Hagalaz in Divination
When Hagalaz appears in a rune reading, it often signals that a storm is on the horizon (or already striking). In divinatory terms, Hagalaz heralds sudden disruption, upheaval, or a crisis situation in the querent’s life. This could manifest as an unexpected accident, a rapid breakdown of plans, a big setback, or any event that feels like it’s “out of the blue” and beyond your control. Like the Tower card in Tarot, Hagalaz indicates that something built on shaky foundations may come crashing down – not to punish, but to clear the way for truth and growth. It often arrives as a necessary shock: while challenging and even painful, this rune’s appearance suggests that certain structures or patterns in your life need to be dismantled so that you can move forward.
It’s important to note that Hagalaz is one of the runes that is typically not read with a reversed (merkstave) meaning. Due to its symmetrical form, Hagalaz has no “upside-down” orientation, and traditional rune casting leaves it always upright. This means that its energy is consistent – there isn’t a “good” vs “bad” Hagalaz. Instead, context and surrounding runes will color its interpretation. In any case, Hagalaz’s core message remains: “prepare for a storm, and find a way to bend rather than break.” If you’ve drawn Hagalaz, consider it a wake-up call. What in your life might need a shake-up or a purge? Often, we sense where stagnation or imbalance has set in, and Hagalaz pushes the issue to a head. Think of it as fate’s nudge (or shove) to address what you may have been avoiding.
Upright Meaning: Since we don’t usually do reversals for Hagalaz, we interpret it as-is. Upright Hagalaz signifies destruction leading to renewal. It can mean a project will encounter a major setback, a relationship could go through a crisis, or one’s personal plans will be overturned by external events. Initially, this is often experienced as a loss, delay or crisis – for example, losing a job suddenly, a sudden breakup, an injury, financial loss, etc. However, the counsel of Hagalaz is that this disruption is necessary. It is clearing out something that was not stable or healthy in the long run. Old forms are torn down so that new forms can emerge. After weathering the hailstorm, you have the opportunity to rebuild in a better way. Hagalaz is thus often a blessing in disguise, though it may not feel like it at first. It forces honesty and change. As the Norns of Norse fate would remind us, some events are inevitable – but how we respond is where our power lies.
In a practical reading, Hagalaz might urge the querent to brace for impact and remain adaptable. The advice is to “expect the unexpected” and to release rigid attachments. If you resist the change, it may feel harsher. If you accept and adapt, you can turn it into an opportunity. This rune often teaches resilience – much like a tree that survives a hailstorm by being deeply rooted yet flexible. Personal transformation is the ultimate result promised by Hagalaz, provided one is willing to learn from the upheaval. As one source puts it, “certain aspects of your life must be dismantled to make way for change… do not fear destruction, as it is often necessary for renewal.”.
To illustrate: if Hagalaz appears regarding a career question, it could warn of a sudden change at work – perhaps a company shake-up, loss of a job, or abrupt shift in direction. While alarming, this might push you onto a better path or motivate you to develop new skills (the storm clearing a stagnant career). For a health question, Hagalaz might indicate an acute health crisis or accident that forces a change in lifestyle – again, a difficulty that ultimately leads to better awareness or healing habits. In spiritual readings, Hagalaz can mean a “dark night of the soul” – a period of intense challenge or breaking down of old beliefs, leading to a rebirth of consciousness.
Emotional and Psychological aspect: Hagalaz often corresponds to inner turmoil mirroring outer chaos. Sometimes the disruption indicated can be internal – a breakdown of one’s old self or worldview. This rune might arise when one’s psyche is ready to shatter old conditioning. It can represent deep subconscious forces erupting, much like how hail (frozen water) might symbolize frozen emotions or trauma breaking loose. While the process can be emotionally turbulent (think of sudden rage, grief, or epiphany that upends your sense of self), it ultimately cleanses you of illusions. Hagalaz’s storm washes away false narratives and compels authenticity.
Importantly, Hagalaz in divination is not a “curse” or purely negative omen. Newcomers sometimes worry if they draw Hagalaz that it’s predicting doom. In truth, Hagalaz is neither “good” nor “bad” – it simply points to major change. Yes, it often highlights hardships or shocks, but with the understanding that these are catalysts. Life occasionally must disrupt to evolve. In readings, Hagalaz asks: what can you learn from this sudden change? How will you rebuild stronger? If you approach it with that mindset, Hagalaz becomes a rune of empowerment through adversity rather than just destruction.
To summarize: Expect the unexpected. Hagalaz in divination heralds a phase where plans may go awry and challenges arise, often from external sources (nature, fate, other people’s actions). Embrace a flexible, humble approach – much like a farmer salvaging what they can after a hailstorm and then plowing the fields anew. After the storm passes, clarity will come and you’ll be able to plant new seeds on cleared ground. The querent is encouraged to “weather the storm with grace” and know that on the other side lies growth. As the saying goes, “the storm will pass, and sunshine returns.” In fact, if other positive runes accompany Hagalaz, it often confirms that the disruption is temporary and necessary for eventual success. Far from being a nihilistic message, Hagalaz ultimately conveys hope through hardship.
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Magical Applications and Uses in Modern Runic Practice
In rune magic, Hagalaz is a potent but double-edged tool. Its energy is akin to a controlled demolition – it can be used to break down, banish, or radically transform, but if mishandled it may bring collateral damage. Modern practitioners approach Hagalaz with respect and caution. As one runic tradition expert warns, “When practicing magic this is a rune that has to be handled with care.”. If one’s magical goals are purely for comfort or personal gain (like love spells, quick wealth, etc.), it’s usually advised to avoid Hagalaz; its disruptive nature could backfire in such cases. Hagalaz isn’t a rune for gentle influence – it’s for intense transformation.
Constructive Uses: Hagalaz shines in work that involves breaking negative patterns or clearing obstacles at a fundamental level. If you feel truly “stuck” or bound by something that needs to be shattered (for example, an addiction, a toxic attachment, a generational curse, or a psychological block), Hagalaz can serve as the forceful breaker of that pattern. Some modern rune magicians will invoke Hagalaz in rituals intended to “destroy in order to rebuild.” For instance, one might carve Hagalaz on a slip of paper or piece of wood representing the bad habit or obstacle, then ritually smash or burn it – symbolizing the hailstorm tearing down that unwanted condition. This is often followed by using a more positive rune (like Berkana for renewal or Sowilo for success) to symbolize the new growth after destruction. In this way, Hagalaz is like the demolition crew before the renovation project: it clears the ground.
Another application is in protective magic, interestingly. While Hagalaz is destructive, some healers use it to destroy illness or malign influences. For example, one might visualize Hagalaz as a hailstorm blasting away negative energy or disease from the aura, then melting into healing water. Because hail can “shatter” things, Hagalaz can be enlisted to break hexes or ward off harmful magic – essentially reflecting malevolent energy back in a chaotic scatter. In a bindrune (a combined symbol), Hagalaz might be included to ensure any obstacles to the intention are smashed to bits.
Cautions: One should be very clear and ethical with the use of Hagalaz. If used in anger or malice (e.g., cursing someone with havoc), remember that this rune’s energy is wild and can ricochet. Like sending a hailstorm out, there’s no controlling exactly where the stones fall. It may harm unintended targets or even oneself if not properly directed. Thus, experienced practitioners emphasize using Hagalaz for self-work above all. It’s most safely applied to oneself – for undergoing personal transformation – rather than throwing it at others. For example, meditating on Hagalaz can help one break through internal “mental prisons” or ego structures that no longer serve. This can be intense – one might experience vivid dreams, emotional releases, or sudden life changes as a result of inviting Hagalaz energy for self-transformation. As long as you set the intention for highest good and growth, Hagalaz can act as a tough but liberating ally on the journey of self-change.
Historically, we have hints that Hagalaz (or hail) featured in some Norse magical practices. One could imagine a Viking warrior carving Hagalaz on his sword or spear, hoping to sow confusion and panic among enemies – essentially “bringing the storm” to an opponent. Likewise, a farmer fearful of hail might inscribe the Hagalaz rune on a boundary stone or amulet, perhaps paradoxically to ward off actual hailstorms (using like to fight like, in sympathetic magic). We don’t know how common such practices were, but rune-inscribed weapons and amulets did exist. In modern adaptations, some rune magicians use Hagalaz in weather magic – e.g., inscribing it and then ceremonially dissolving it to symbolize melting hail, as a way to calm a storm or end a spell of chaos.
Ritual ideas: If you feel ready for Hagalaz’s intense energy, a simple ritual might be: Write down what you need to break free from (a situation, trait, etc.) on paper. Draw the Hagalaz rune over it. Meditate briefly, acknowledging the hold this pattern has on you. Then (safely) burn the paper or submerge it in water with ice cubes, visualizing the hail breaking the pattern and then melting away. As you dispose of the ashes or water, affirm that the old is destroyed and you welcome new growth. Always follow up Hagalaz work with something soothing or grounding – light a candle for hope (Sowilo’s sunlight) or do a cleansing with water or herbs to signify the renewal phase.
In summary, modern uses of Hagalaz center on its role as a catalyst and purifier. It is the rune to call when you truly need to “wipe the slate clean” in some aspect of life. Many practitioners, however, will caution: use Hagalaz sparingly. It’s not a rune for everyday spells or trivial matters. It’s the big gun for when radical change is needed. As one author notes, active use of Hagalaz makes sense in situations where the current behavior already creates a lot of damage – for example, to help someone break out of an addiction that is wrecking their life. In such dire cases, Hagalaz can be the shock to the system that triggers a healing crisis and ultimate recovery. Treated with respect, Hagalaz is a powerful ally for transformation, purification, and the rebirth that follows destruction.
Historical and Cultural Context in Ancient Germanic & Norse Traditions
The Hagalaz rune originates in the Elder Futhark, the oldest runic alphabet, used by Germanic peoples roughly between the 2nd and 8th centuries CE across northern Europe. In this 24-rune system, Hagalaz holds the 9th position, immediately following Wunjo (joy) and preceding Nauthiz (need). Its placement is significant: Hagalaz opens the second ætt of the runes, a set often associated with challenges and the trials of life. In fact, some rune commentators name this group “Hagal’s ætt” or connect it to deities of hardship (one tradition calls it Hel’s ætt, after the Norse underworld goddess). This hints that in the mythic structure of the Futhark, Hagalaz was seen as ushering in a sequence of runes dealing with ordeals and transformation (Hagalaz, Nauthiz, Isa, etc., all have difficult connotations that ultimately teach survival and change).
Archaeologically, Hagalaz (in its ᚺ or ᚻ form) appears on numerous runic inscriptions, ranging from votive amulets to stone monuments. The rune’s angular shape was well-suited to carving on wood, bone, or stone. Interestingly, in early continental (Germanic) finds, the double-barred Hagalaz (ᚻ) is often used, whereas Scandinavian Viking Age inscriptions typically use the single-bar form (ᚺ). This shows regional variation in how the rune was carved, but the meaning remained the same. As the runic alphabet evolved, Hagalaz continued into the Anglo-Saxon Futhorc (where eventually two separate “H” runes existed, reflecting phonetic shifts) and into the Younger Futhark of the Viking era (called Hagall, ᚼ). So Hagalaz/Hagall was a persistent part of runic writing in the Germanic world for over a millennium.
Culturally, the concept of “hail” would have been very familiar to the Norse and other Germanic peoples. Northern Europe’s climate made summer hailstorms and harsh winter weather a real concern. As mentioned, a bad hailstorm could mean starvation come winter – a fact noted in later Icelandic sagas and laws that speak of weather omen and crop failures. Thus, Hagalaz as “hail” tied into a broader worldview where nature’s forces were both venerated and feared. The Norse did not personify hail with a specific god or goddess, but they understood it as part of the balance between the benevolent and destructive powers of nature. In Norse cosmology, one finds themes of fire and ice as primal forces (the world is created from the collision of fiery Muspelheim and icy Niflheim). Hail, being frozen water, aligns with the ice element, and could be seen as emanating from the cold, chaotic realms.
One can also view Hagalaz in light of the Norse concept of Ragnarok, the great end-of-world battle. In the myth of Ragnarok, the world is wrecked – the sun is swallowed, fire and poison rain down, the earth is flooded – but after this apocalypse, the world is reborn fresh and cleansed. Hagalaz is like a mini-Ragnarok in one’s life: a storm that presages the end of something and the chance for a new beginning. This cyclical thinking (destruction -> rebirth) was ingrained in Norse culture (they saw time as cyclical, with recurring ages). It’s no coincidence that Hagalaz’s rune poems emphasize the destructive first half (hail smashing crops) and the regenerative second half (hail becomes water). The ancient rune poets were likely drawing on proverbial wisdom: “No storm, no clearing; no winter, no spring.”
In terms of everyday use, runes like Hagalaz also had mundane meanings: for instance, in calendrical runic alphabets used in the late Middle Ages, the Hagal-rune sometimes marked certain days or was part of weather-related charms. We also see runic formulas in charms where multiple hardship runes cluster, perhaps to invoke protection by acknowledging all dangers (one medieval charm lists Hagal, Nauthiz, and Isaz together to ward off adversity, essentially saying “hail, need, ice – I invoke you so you harm me not”). While actual evidence is fragmentary, it’s clear Hagalaz held a place in the symbolic imagination of the Norse equal to its practical sound value.
The Elder Futhark’s division into three ætts gives Hagalaz a kind of leadership role in the second ætt. Some later rune commentators associated each ætt with certain deities or archetypes. Heimdall – the ever-vigilant guardian god who will blow the horn at Ragnarok – is one deity linked with the second ætt (in one tradition, Heimdall is even called Hallinskíði or Hagal, linking him nominally to Hagalaz). Heimdall’s role (standing guard at the edge, facing the onslaught of chaotic forces like giants) resonates with Hagalaz’s theme of bracing against the storm. Another association is the goddess Skadi, a winter deity of snow and mountains, sometimes thought to watch over this rune family. Skadi embodies surviving and even finding beauty in the harshest winter – an apt patroness for Hagalaz’s energy of enduring the hail and ice. While these associations are more speculative (drawn by modern practitioners), they underscore how Hagalaz was placed in the “testing ground” of the runic journey. The first ætt (Freyr/Freyja’s ætt) gives blessings and foundations; the second ætt (Hagalaz’s ætt) throws challenges and shake-ups; the third ætt (Tyr’s ætt) resolves and integrates. Thus, in the mythic journey of the runes, Hagalaz is the gateway into the realm of trials that ultimately lead to wisdom and growth.
In summary, historically Hagalaz was understood very much in line with its meaning: hail was a part of life, and so this rune represented that part of life that we cannot control. It taught the lesson that sometimes you must suffer the elements and make the best of it. The cultural attitude is captured well by the rune poems: even in Christianized versions, they note hail is from heaven (so accept it as God’s will or natural law) and that it turns to water (so trust that it has a purpose in the grand scheme). For a Norse farmer or warrior, Hagalaz might be a reminder to always have a contingency (store extra grain in case of hail, be ready for plans to change suddenly in battle). It ingrained a kind of stoic resilience – an understanding that chaos is part of the cosmic order, to be neither cursed nor invited lightly, but met with courage.
Associated Myths or Deities
Unlike some runes, Hagalaz doesn’t have a single clear patron deity in surviving lore. There is no Norse god of hail specifically. However, we can explore a few mythic connections and archetypes that resonate with Hagalaz:
The Norns (Fates): Hagalaz is strongly linked to the concept of fate or wyrd – those inevitable events “written” for us. The Norns are the trio of mythic women who carve the fates of men and gods on wood runes beneath Yggdrasil. Some legends say the Norns themselves inscribe runes to set destiny. Hagalaz can be seen as one of their calling cards: the sudden twist of fate they deliver. Because it often manifests as events outside our control, drawing Hagalaz can feel like the hands of fate at work. In the symbolic sense, Hagalaz = “what the Norns have decreed, we must weather.” The rune’s appearance might be telling you an event is fated (and possibly karmic), especially if it seems to come out of nowhere. In mythology, even the gods face such moments (e.g., the death of Baldur by a seemingly random mistletoe sprig – a “hailstone” moment in myth). Hagalaz reminds us of the Norns’ tapestry: even disruptive events fit into a larger pattern (often only understood in hindsight).
Heimdall: As mentioned in the cultural context, some sources associate the second rune ætt (starting with Hagalaz) with Heimdall. Heimdall is a god who will announce Ragnarok with a horn blast. In a sense, he’s a herald of upheaval. One could metaphorically link Hagalaz’s role (heralding personal upheaval) to Heimdall’s role at the cosmic upheaval. Additionally, one of Heimdall’s epithets in the Eddic poem Thrymskvida is “Vindlér” (wind-sea or wind-listener) – a rather stormy-sounding name. If one were to assign a guardian to Hagalaz, Heimdall as a steadfast watcher facing chaos isn’t a bad fit.
Hel (and Hel’s Aett): Some modern practitioners refer to the second ætt as Hel’s ætt, which places Hagalaz under the aegis of Hel, the goddess of the underworld. Hel governs a realm of the dead that is often described in icy, cold terms. She herself has a dual appearance (half living flesh, half corpse-blue) – reflecting duality and a kind of morbid transformation. While there’s no direct link in lore between Hel and hail, symbolically one could say Hagalaz’s harsh lessons are akin to a journey through Hel: a confrontation with death (figurative or literal) that leads to spiritual growth. Hel’s realm is not a place of punishment in Norse myth, but rather a place of rest and eventually renewal (in Ragnarok, some dead return). So Hagalaz’s energy can be thought of as Hel’s chill – the cold hard truth that one must face.
Skadi: The giantess-turned-goddess Skadi is associated with winter, mountains, and the hunt. She is a personification of winter’s beauty and danger. Some rune interpretations link Skadi to Hagalaz because she embodies thriving in harsh conditions. Skadi’s father was Thiazi, a giant who was killed by the Aesir, and in revenge/atonement, Skadi was given a form of compensation, part of which was laughter (through Loki’s antics) and a marriage (albeit an ill-fated one) to Njord. Skadi’s story is one of anger and sorrow transformed into acceptance and finding a new path (she ultimately leaves the marriage and stays in her cold mountains by choice). There’s a thematic resonance: Skadi’s ice-cold resolve and the idea of finding one’s place after turmoil speaks to Hagalaz’s aftermath. While not a historically attested pairing, modern rune-users sometimes meditate on Skadi when Hagalaz appears, seeking her strength to endure winter storms literally and metaphorically.
Ragnarok and Thor: In myths, Thor is the god who hallows (protects) the community from the chaotic forces of giants and weather. He’s often invoked for protection against storms. There’s an interesting dynamic where Hagalaz (hail) can be seen as a giantish weapon – the giants in mythology sometimes throw hail or bring harmful weather. Thor’s battle with giants could include fighting off hailstorms. In one tale, Thor’s journey to Utgard-Loki’s hall includes him and his companions taking shelter from a fierce storm caused by the giant Skrymir’s snoring. One might poetically envision hail (Hagalaz) as part of that onslaught. Thor eventually will grapple with the world-serpent and other chaotic beings at Ragnarok, where the sky itself falls in chaos. So in a way, Thor’s presence in a reading with Hagalaz (if one also draws Thor’s rune Thurisaz, for example) might indicate the need for courage and protective action amid chaos.
Gullveig (Heiðr): An interesting mythical figure connected to disruption is Gullveig, a sorceress whose attempted murder by the Aesir gods (burned three times and reborn) triggered the first war in the world (the Aesir-Vanir War). Some esoteric interpretations link Gullveig to rune lore; one source even links her to the second ætt, suggesting Gullveig represents greed and corruption introduced – a disruptive force that had to be burned (destroyed) and yet could not be fully killed. Gullveig’s saga is one of destruction and rebirth: she is destroyed by spears and fire (like being pelted by deadly “hail” of spears) and resurrects, then her presence leads to a war that ultimately resolves in peace and integration of the Vanir and Aesir. This myth is very much a Hagalaz-type story: the violent upheaval that leads to a new equilibrium. While not a mainstream association, some rune mystics meditate on Gullveig-Heiðr when dealing with Hagalaz, as a way to understand the alchemy of destruction into transformation (she was literally transmuted through fire thrice).
In general, myths of upheaval, tests, and transformation are relevant to Hagalaz. Think of the trials of heroes in Norse legends: nearly every hero (Beowulf, Sigurd, etc.) goes through a harrowing ordeal that could be seen as their “Hagalaz moment.” Even Odin, the Allfather, endures his own Hagalaz-like sacrifice: hanging on the world tree, wounded by a spear (we might liken the spear to a symbolic hailstone), suffering for nine nights to gain the runes. That is a voluntary ordeal, but it underscores the idea that suffering yields wisdom.
To be clear, there is no one deity of hail to neatly link here. Rather, Hagalaz is a force that all these myths acknowledge in different forms – the storm, the war, the betrayal, the calamity that must be faced. In a mythic context, one might say Hagalaz is “blessed by the hands of fate” and “tempered by the trials of the gods.” It is the rune that encapsulates the stories of descent and rebirth – whether it’s Baldur’s death leading to eventual resurrection in the new world, or the burning of the world in Ragnarok leading to its renewal. The absence of a patron deity only reinforces Hagalaz’s nature as a raw cosmological force. It’s like gravity – impersonal but powerful.
For those practicing Norse paganism or Asatru today, if you wished to honor a deity when Hagalaz energy is at play, you might hail Odin (who oversees runic wisdom and sacrificial trials), or Thor (for strength to weather the storm), or even Freyr after the storm (as a god of fertility to regrow what was lost). The choices are interpretive. The key is understanding that Hagalaz stands at that mythic juncture where chaos erupts, fate intervenes, and the stage is set for renewal.
Symbolism and Visual Analysis
The symbol of Hagalaz (ᚺ) is simple yet striking: it looks very much like the Latin letter H. This shape consists of two vertical lines “bridged” by a horizontal line across the middle. Some older renditions show the bridging line at a slight angle, or even two lines crossing (making it akin to a star or asterisk), but the common form is an H-shape with one bar.
Symbolically, we can unpack this rune’s geometry in a few ways:
The H-shape can be seen as representing a stable structure being struck through. The two upright lines evoke solidity – like pillars, walls, or standing trees (think of your life’s established structures). The horizontal slash through them is like the hailstone’s impact, breaking through that solidity. It visually conveys interruption. Some rune scholars say Hagalaz’s form is like a window or lattice smashed by a bolt, reminding us how unexpected events cut through our defenses.
Another perspective is that the three lines of Hagalaz correspond to a trinity of states: one vertical could symbolize the past, the other the future, and the bridging line the present moment where the change strikes and connects the two. In other words, the “bridge” is the transformative event linking what was to what will be. This resonates with Hagalaz’s role as the hinge between an old cycle and a new one.
There is also an esoteric view (from later occult rune traditions) that sees in Hagalaz a sort of “snowflake” or seed pattern. If one extends additional lines, Hagalaz can be drawn as a six-pointed asterisk, and indeed certain occult rune systems (like the Armanen runes) treat Hagal as a hexagram that contains all other runes within it – a “mother rune.” While that’s outside historical Elder Futhark usage, it’s an interesting symbolic amplification: the idea that within Hagalaz’s pattern of chaos lies the blueprint of creation. A snowflake, after all, is a beautiful crystalline form born from cold chaos. So some practitioners meditate on the Hagalaz shape as a mandala of completeness through disruption – the notion that breaking apart leads to a new, higher order.
On a simpler note, one might say the angular lines and sharp corners of the rune visually feel hard and cold, much like a hailstone. There’s no curve or softness in this rune; it’s all straight lines and angles, implying rigidity that is either being enforced or shattered. This aligns with Hagalaz’s nature: inflexible structures meeting a force that cracks them.
If we compare Hagalaz’s look to other runes: it is reminiscent of Ehwaz or Mannaz which also have an H-like form, but Hagalaz is distinguished by not being symmetrical vertically (in Elder Futhark fonts it usually has the bar in the middle). It is, however, symmetrical horizontally – meaning if you flip it upside down, it looks the same. This symmetry is why, as mentioned, Hagalaz has no “reverse” meaning (its inverted form is identical). One could say this mirror symmetry implies that above and below, the effect is the same – a “as above, so below” principle – or that the outer chaos reflects inner chaos, and vice versa.
In terms of color symbolism, if one were to assign a color to Hagalaz, white or clear might be fitting (the color of hailstones). In some modern correspondence tables, Hagalaz is linked to the color of ice or storm clouds (whitish-gray). The rune’s appearance could also evoke the image of a rune literally carved on ice or stone.
Visual meditations: To visually connect with Hagalaz, you might picture hailstones pelting down in the shape of little Hagalaz runes. This imaginative exercise can help one intuitively grasp the rune’s feel: each hailstone is hard and potentially harmful, yet melts into water that sinks into the soil. If you draw Hagalaz on paper, notice the decisive, cutting motion of drawing that horizontal line – it’s like a strike-through. Interestingly, in handwriting (younger runes or cursive forms), Hagalaz sometimes was rendered with a slanted or crossed line, giving a hint of a whirling motion. This could symbolize the whirlwind aspect of hailstorms.
In summary, the iconography of Hagalaz is all about impact and fracture. The rune’s shape is not elaborate, but it conveys a sudden crossing of lines – much as Hagalaz events are the crossing of destiny into the plans of mortals. The visual simplicity makes it a powerful sigil: easy to carve quickly (perhaps to invoke a sudden change) and unmistakable in form. Whether you see it as an image of a cracked structure, a bridge of change, or a frozen grain from the gods, Hagalaz’s look reinforces its meaning: something comes crashing in to change the status quo.
Related Runes or Rune Pairings
In rune readings, Hagalaz’s meaning can be influenced by the company it keeps. When Hagalaz appears alongside other runes, those combinations can tell a more specific story about the kind of disruption or the area of life affected. Here are a few notable rune pairings involving Hagalaz and how to interpret them:
Of course, context matters for all pairings. The above interpretations assume Hagalaz is a central influence. If Hagalaz is flanked by multiple runes, consider it the “theme” of disruption colored by each neighboring rune’s domain. For example, Hagalaz + (runes associated with family like Othala or Berkana) might point to a family or home crisis (perhaps a house damage, or a family conflict blowing up). Hagalaz + (a love rune like Gebo or Laguz) could indicate a relationship upheaval or emotional storm that ultimately deepens intimacy once resolved.
Also, consider sequence: sometimes we draw runes in a line. Leading with Hagalaz vs ending with Hagalaz can nuance things. If Hagalaz comes first, followed by a positive rune, it often means “the worst is over, now improvement comes.” If it comes after, say, positive runes, it can warn “good times may be interrupted by this challenge.” In castings like the three-rune spread (past-present-future), Hagalaz in the present with nicer runes in future is a classic pattern of “storm now, peace later.”
Related runes in theme: Beyond pairings, it’s worth noting that Hagalaz belongs to a trio of runes often considered the “hardship runes” – Hagalaz (sudden crisis), Nauthiz (long struggle or need), and Isa (standstill). These three sequential runes each deal with adversity in different flavors. If you encounter more than one in a reading, it’s a strong message about trials and the need for perseverance. The rune that follows Hagalaz in the Futhark, Nauthiz (ᚾ, “need”), can sometimes clarify Hagalaz’s disruption by showing what need or karmic lesson is highlighted by the crisis. The rune before Hagalaz, Wunjo (ᚹ, “joy”), reminds that joy precedes and will follow the sorrow – an interplay of opposites.
On the flip side, certain runes can be seen as antidotes or balancing forces to Hagalaz. For example, Sowilo (ᛋ, “sun”) is everything Hagalaz is not – warm, bright, life-giving – so if Sowilo appears with Hagalaz, it often means “after the storm, the sun returns,” or even that the destructive force will ultimately illuminate truth or bring success in disguise. Dagaz (ᛞ, “daybreak”) similarly signals a breakthrough after chaos. Recognizing these relationships helps the practitioner not only interpret combinations but also intentionally combine runes in bind-runes or charms. For instance, one might create a bind-rune of Hagalaz + Dagaz to deliberately invoke “radical breakthrough” – Hagalaz tearing down the old, Dagaz ushering in the new day.
In summary, Hagalaz rarely dances alone in readings – and when it dances with others, it’s telling you what kind of storm or what area of life will be affected, as well as how long it might last and what can come out of it. Pay close attention to those runic “partners in crime” or “partners in recovery,” as they turn Hagalaz from a general omen of disruption into a specific story about your journey.
FAQ about the Hagalaz rune
What does the Hagalaz rune represent?
Hagalaz represents hail, and by extension any sudden disruption or crisis that breaks apart the status quo. It is the rune of chaos, destruction, and transformation. Just as a hailstorm can ravage a field unexpectedly, Hagalaz signifies events or forces beyond our control that cause damage or upheaval. However, it also carries the idea that this destruction leads to renewal – like hail that melts into water to nourish new growth. In short, Hagalaz symbolizes the stormy trials of life and the concept that sometimes things must fall apart so that better things can fall into place.
Is Hagalaz a “bad” rune or a negative omen?
Hagalaz is often perceived as intimidating because it does herald difficulties – but it is not “evil”. In rune readings, Hagalaz is considered a challenging rune, one that usually points to a tough situation, loss, or sudden change. However, calling it “bad” oversimplifies it. Think of Hagalaz as a necessary shock or corrective force rather than a curse. It certainly can warn of negative events (like accidents, conflicts, financial loss, etc.), but its deeper meaning is about what can be learned or gained after the storm. Even the old rune poems hinted at a silver lining (“hail turns to water”).
Many experienced practitioners will tell you that Hagalaz brings course-correction. It might tear down something unstable to prevent a worse catastrophe later, or force you to address a problem you’ve ignored. So while it’s natural to feel uneasy if you pull Hagalaz (nobody loves seeing a rune of crisis), remember that it’s also an opportunity. It’s the kind of tough love from the universe that says: “This isn’t working; let’s clear it out so you can grow.” If approached with courage and an open mind, Hagalaz’s influence can ultimately lead to positive outcomes (strength, wisdom, freedom from old constraints). To summarize: Hagalaz is “bad news” that can lead to “good change.” It’s not a rune of malice, just of abrupt necessity.
Which gods or myths are associated with Hagalaz?
There’s no single deity explicitly linked to Hagalaz in the historical sources – hail was seen as more of a natural force than the domain of a specific god. However, Norse mythology and symbolism offer a few associations by theme. The Norns (Fates) are often connected to Hagalaz, since the rune represents those inevitable twists of fate that they ordain. When Hagalaz strikes, it’s like the Norns saying “this is meant to happen now.” Some modern rune workers also associate Hagalaz’s entire rune family (the second ætt) with Heimdall (a guardian god who faces chaotic forces) or with Hel (goddess of the underworld, reflecting the harsh, cold transformative journey of the soul).
Mythically, Hagalaz resonates with the story of Ragnarok – the destruction of the world that leads to its rebirth. It’s a mini-Ragnarok in rune form. There’s also a thematic link to any myth involving a great ordeal or trial by nature: for example, Thor battling the giants (who might throw hail or storms), or Odin hanging on the tree (suffering to gain wisdom). These aren’t direct “patrons” of Hagalaz, but they echo its lessons. In practice, if you’re looking for divine help with Hagalaz energy, you might invoke Thor for protection through the storm, Odin for wisdom to understand the trial, or Skadi for strength to endure wintery hardships. But broadly, Hagalaz is seen as guided by the forces of nature and fate more than by any one god.
How do you pronounce “Hagalaz,” and what does the name mean?
“Hagalaz” is pronounced roughly as “HAH-gah-lahz.” The emphasis is usually on the first syllable (“HAH”), but it’s a steady three-syllable word (sometimes rendered “HAH-guh-lahz”). The name comes from Proto-Germanic and literally means “hail” – as in hailstones. It’s the same root that gives words like “hail” in English and “hagel” in German. In Old Norse, the rune was called Hagall, and in Anglo-Saxon Old English Haegl – all cognate words for hail. So when you say Hagalaz, you’re essentially saying “hail-storm.” The ‘hag’ sound at the start is a harsh breathy H (like the word “hockey”), fittingly kind of like the sound one makes when exhaling on a cold day.
One tip: some people pronounce it slightly differently (regional accents vary), for instance “HAH-guh-laz” vs “HAH-gah-laz,” but the difference is minor. The key is that it starts with the H sound (like H in hail or hat), not silent. The rune’s phonetic value is the letter. If you’re curious about language, Hagalaz as a term was reconstructed by linguists; the actual word used by, say, ancient Norse speakers was Hagall. The reconstruction adds the -az ending typical of Proto-Germanic masculine nouns. In rune magic today, most use the term Hagalaz as a universal name for the rune, and it’s recognized across different rune traditions.
Does Hagalaz have a reversed (merkstave) meaning?
Traditionally, no. Hagalaz is one of a handful of runes that are considered “non-reversible.” This is because of the rune’s symmetry – if you flip ᚺ upside down, it still looks essentially the same (an H shape). In historical rune casting, a rune that fell in a position where it could be inverted (like Fehu ᚠ or Algiz ᛉ) might be read as merkstave (a kind of “reversed” or negative aspect). But for runes like Hagalaz, that practice doesn’t apply; the rune was always read in its upright sense.
What this means in practical terms is that Hagalaz’s meaning is generally consistent whenever it appears. There isn’t a “good Hagalaz” vs “bad Hagalaz” orientation – Hagalaz simply is what it is (disruption and change). Some modern readers do try to assign nuance by, say, the context or surrounding runes rather than inversion. For example, if Hagalaz were “reversed” (which it can’t physically be, but hypothetically) one might just interpret it as the same energy but perhaps internal or less severe. But again, that’s not a traditional approach.
So, if you’re new to rune reading: when you pull Hagalaz, don’t worry about “is it inverted?” Instead, focus on to what extent and in what area the Hagalaz energy is manifesting. Use neighboring runes or your intuition to gauge that. The concept of merkstave doesn’t apply here – consider Hagalaz always upright. In some rune decks or sets, they actually mark Hagalaz with a dot or something to indicate orientation, but historically that’s not how runes worked.
In summary: Hagalaz has no reversed meaning – it always signals disruption/changes, and any nuance will come from context, not an inverted symbol. This actually simplifies things: you have one less layer to interpret. Just remember the core lesson remains consistent.
How can I use the Hagalaz rune in magic or ritual without causing havoc?
Using Hagalaz in magic requires caution and clear intention, but it can be done constructively. The key is to aim Hagalaz at something that truly needs breaking or changing, and to contain its energy. Here are some guidelines and ethical tips:
Self-Work vs. External: It’s generally safer to use Hagalaz on yourself (your own patterns, obstacles, etc.) rather than directing it at other people or situations you can’t control. For example, you might use Hagalaz to help break your bad habit, but think twice before using it to, say, “teach someone else a lesson.” The latter can easily stray into curse territory and may backfire.
Clear Purpose: Be very clear about what you want Hagalaz to do. It’s a blunt instrument. If your goal is vague like “shake things up in my life,” Hagalaz might oblige in ways you don’t expect (and not all pleasant!). Instead, define the target: e.g. “Help me shatter my fear of change” or “Break the unhealthy ties I have to X situation.” Specificity focuses the rune’s force.
Ritual “Container”: Set up a ritual framework to contain and release Hagalaz’s energy safely. For instance, cast a circle or sacred space so you have a boundary. You could draw Hagalaz on paper, put all your intent of what it’s to break into that sigil, then destroy the sigil (burn it, tear it, drown it). By doing so, you symbolically unleash Hagalaz on that issue and then dissipate it. Always follow up by grounding and perhaps invoking a calming rune or energy (like Berkana for healing or Gebo for balance) to fill the void left by what’s broken.
Ethical use: If you feel tempted to use Hagalaz in a curse (for example, to punish someone who did wrong), be aware that Hagalaz doesn’t distinguish friend from foe – it’s a storm. Many ethical rune magicians avoid direct cursing and instead might use Hagalaz in a banishing way: e.g. “May the harmful influence of person X be shattered and removed from my life” which focuses on the influence, not harming the person. Even that can have unpredictable results but is less aggressive than aiming to harm.
Transformation Work: A positive way to work with Hagalaz is in personal transformation rituals. For example, some people incorporate Hagalaz in sweat lodge or intense breathwork or fasting rituals – times when you intentionally induce a controlled crisis in yourself (like pushing your limits) to break through spiritually. Hagalaz can be a supportive symbol in these contexts, as if saying to the universe, “I am willing to let part of me be broken down so I can be remade stronger.” It’s essentially a controlled burn for personal rebirth.
Talismans: Generally, one would be wary of wearing Hagalaz as an everyday talisman (unlike, say, a protection rune) because it invites upheaval. However, if you deliberately want to keep yourself in a state of openness to change and breaking illusions, you might carry Hagalaz during a specific period. For instance, during a big life transition, Hagalaz could remind you “embrace the change.” In that case, you could carve it on a piece of ice and let it melt, or wear it in a locket that you remove once its job is done. It’s the kind of rune you use and then set aside, rather than a permanent emblem (unless one is devoted to a path of constant radical transformation).
To not cause unwanted havoc, always include in your incantation or intention something like “for the highest good, harming none but dissolving what must end.” Essentially, you program Hagalaz to target only the structures that truly need to collapse (like your bad habit, toxic relationship, etc.) and to spare everything else. It’s wise to also mentally prepare that things may get worse before better. When you invoke Hagalaz, you’re asking for a breakthrough, and sometimes that means a bit of chaos comes through. Trust the process but also take responsibility – if you called the storm, don’t complain about the rain!
Finally, after any working with Hagalaz, do something gentle for yourself: take a bath, do grounding meditation, or invoke a soothing rune (like Laguz for healing water, or Inguz for gentle new beginnings). This helps balance the intense energy and integrate the changes.
In summary: Yes, you can use Hagalaz in magic, but do so wisely, sparingly, and with precision. Treat it like dynamite: useful for blasting away obstacles, but you want a clear target and a safe distance. Many recommend that beginners get comfortable with gentler runes first and approach Hagalaz when they truly understand the consequences. Used correctly, Hagalaz can be a powerful ally in breaking through to a better life.
What does Hagalaz mean in a love reading?
In a love or relationship context, Hagalaz can be a tough omen, but it’s also very illuminating. Hagalaz in a love reading often indicates a shake-up or crisis in the relationship. This could range from a big argument, to a painful truth coming out, or even a breakup or separation that’s on the horizon. Essentially, the “honeymoon” illusions might be shattered by reality. If things have been swept under the rug between partners, Hagalaz suggests those issues will suddenly hail down, demanding to be addressed.
For instance, you might discover something unexpected about your partner (good or bad) that changes the dynamics drastically. Or external stress (family interference, financial trouble, etc.) could put heavy strain on the couple. In some cases, Hagalaz might mean one’s current relationship needs to undergo drastic change or end for both people’s long-term well-being. It can be the rune of “breaking up to wake up.” As harsh as that sounds, Hagalaz tries to push relationships onto an honest footing. If a partnership is fundamentally weak or not built on truth, Hagalaz energy might break it apart. If the partnership is strong, Hagalaz will test it, but what survives the storm will be even stronger and clearer.
It’s important to note that Hagalaz doesn’t guarantee a breakup – but it does signal “things cannot go on as they are.” Change is inevitable. For a couple in conflict, this might be the big fight that clears the air. It could be a counseling intervention that’s intense but healing. Or yes, it might be deciding to part ways if the relationship has run its course. Hagalaz encourages accepting hard truths. For example, someone might realize “we’re not actually compatible” or “we’ve been ignoring this fundamental issue and it’s time to face it.” Those realizations can be painful (like hailstones hitting), but ultimately freeing.
If you’re single and Hagalaz comes up regarding love, it might mean you need to break some personal patterns or deal with personal upheaval before a healthy relationship can form. Perhaps you have unresolved trauma that needs clearing (a past relationship’s baggage that must be shattered and cleared). Or it could indicate a period of being unexpectedly content with being alone after a time of turmoil.
Interestingly, some sources compare Hagalaz’s effect to the Tarot’s Tower or Death cards in love readings: something ends or collapses, but it makes way for a more authentic love either with a renewed partner or with someone new down the line. If Hagalaz appears with positive love runes like Gebo (gift, partnership) or Wunjo (joy), it might mean a trial that ultimately brings a couple closer (e.g., a big fight that leads to deeper understanding or a struggle the two overcome together, strengthening their bond). If it appears with runes like Isa (ice) or Othala (separation, inheritance), it more likely points to a split or a period of emotional coldness.
In summary, Hagalaz in love says: “Prepare for a relationship storm.” This could be the challenge that defines your relationship’s future. If you truly love each other and are willing to change and grow, you might weather it and come out stronger. If not, Hagalaz might be clearing the way for you to find a more suitable partnership after a necessary ending. It encourages honesty, courageous communication, and the release of illusions in matters of the heart.
How is Hagalaz different from Thurisaz, since both are disruptive runes?
Great question! Hagalaz (ᚺ) and Thurisaz (ᚦ) do have similar reputations as “troublemaker” runes, but they operate differently. Think of them as two different types of challenges:
Hagalaz is like a natural disaster – impersonal, beyond anyone’s control, and non-discriminating. It’s the hailstorm that just happens, not directed at anyone in particular. It represents fate, weather, sudden events. You typically cannot stop Hagalaz; you can only endure it or mitigate damage. It often comes with no warning or, if there are warnings, you still can’t fully avoid the impact. It teaches acceptance of forces larger than oneself.
Thurisaz, on the other hand, is often translated as “giant” or “thorn.” It’s associated with the force of conflict, offense/defense, and consciously wielded power (like Thor’s hammer or a thorn used as a weapon). Thurisaz energy can be confrontational and often personal. It might indicate an attack, a temptation, a fight – something that you can engage with or respond to. In mythology, Thor uses force (and wisdom) to overcome giants; a thorn can be removed or can wound an enemy. So Thurisaz is about struggle where you have some agency – you can fight back, set boundaries, use strategy. It can represent both the danger and the tool to deal with danger.
In simpler terms: Hagalaz = “a bolt from the blue”, Thurisaz = “a thorn in your side (or a weapon in your hand)”. Hagalaz is more about what happens to you (act of god type events), whereas Thurisaz can be what happens between you and another force (a conflict, a challenge you face directly).
Example: If asking about a work situation, Hagalaz might warn of the company suddenly downsizing (an external event affecting you all), while Thurisaz might warn of office politics or a clash with a coworker (a direct confrontation or obstacle you need to deal with actively).
Another distinction: Hagalaz often has a cleansing/destructive neutrality. It’s not aimed at teaching a moral lesson or testing honor – it just is chaos that you grow from by surviving. Thurisaz can have a protective or testing aspect. Thurisaz can be the rune of taking decisive action or of facing a trial of strength/courage. There’s a bit more agency with Thurisaz. For instance, drawing Thurisaz might also suggest “use your wits or defend yourself now,” whereas drawing Hagalaz usually suggests “brace yourself and be adaptable; you can’t stop the storm but you can get through it.”
The rune poems reflect this too: The (Old English) rune poem for Thurisaz (Thorn) mentions it hurting people, and also that giants (Thurs) cause anguish – implying an enemy or hazard that interacts with people. The poems for Hagalaz only describe hail’s nature (cold grain, etc.), not targeting anyone specifically – it’s just a dreaded phenomenon.
Both runes can herald difficulty, but Thurisaz’s difficulties can often be confronted head-on, whereas Hagalaz’s must often be endured and transcended. In a reading, if I see Hagalaz, I think “Okay, something beyond my control is happening, how do I adapt?” If I see Thurisaz, I think “Where must I take action or be cautious of conflict? What thorny issue or rival must I deal with?”
Interestingly, sometimes they work sequentially: Hagalaz might knock you down, then Thurisaz appears as the next step – how you fight your way back or defend what remains. Or vice versa: you engage in a battle (Thurisaz) and the collateral damage brings a hailstorm of consequences (Hagalaz).
Okay, real talk, why does Hagalaz keep stalking me? For months now, that’s the only rune that shows up. At first I was like, cool, lesson learned, universe, but now it’s just absurd. Every draw, every spread same damn hailstorm. Anyone else ever get stuck in a rune loop like this?